Learning the Fight

We had a discussion in my guild the other day between a few of us regarding how we learn a new boss fight. I know I’ve touched upon this issue before in the blog, because it’s something that really interests me. How we learn new things and process information.

The discussion started because one of our members was telling us about a recent LFR he was in, where he got tired of the raid going through groups and tactics for Lei Shen. So he pulled the boss (as a healer). They killed the boss, but not until after they had wiped three times and got the buff from it.

I questioned him about this, because his reasoning seemed a bit off to me. He thought it was taking too long to go through the tactics, but he’s happy to wipe three times and do the corpse running? Not to mention, no one in that LFR actually learned much about the fight, since they eventually just powered through the fight with the buff from their wipes.

We never quite agreed on the issue though. I personally prefer to read up on fights beforehand so I know what to expect. I then do the fight once or twice, to see the abilities in reality – then I know and understand what’s going on.

For him, he said he preferred trial and error. Not reading up on the fights, or watching a video, just going in there and dying until he got it right. He also said he didn’t like using tactics made up by someone else, because he liked to find his own. “Monkey see, monkey do”, I believe was one of his phrases. To me, it sounds like he wants to re-invent the wheel.

Obviously, you can’t just copy another guilds tactic straight off. You have to make changes that fits your raid team’s capabilities and setup. But to go in and not know what to do, it just seems counterproductive to me. I want to know which abilities the boss has before I enter, so I know what to look out for. If I had to have the raid wipe once for every ability because people didn’t know anything and had to die to it to know what it does.. I think I would go insane.

Maybe it’s because of the way I learn, through reading and then doing, that I find his way so strange. I would hate to go into a fight and not knowing what to expect. But then I hate going into anything without knowing what to expect. I’m a planner and a reader. I will read up on everything, because I consider knowledge to be power and control.

How do you look at raiding? Do you just jump in blindly and learn as you go, or do you prefer to know what to expect beforehand?

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7 Responses to Learning the Fight

  1. liquidkey says:

    I think knowing how a Boss fights and having the best tactic to beat/counter him is important otherwise its just fighting over and over with mindless key stroking. i think every guild should have a couple of strategists who should gather intel on a Boss and device a strategy.
    A typical raid cycle with strategy could be something like this,
    1. Gather intel on Boss
    2. Device Strategy
    3. Use the Strategy in Raid
    4. If the strategy fails then get feed back for all the participants and adjust the strategy.
    5. Repeat steps 2 – 5 until strategy works.

    :))

  2. Tania says:

    When I raided, we pretty much relied on Latus to know how to do everything. He was always looking things up, doing the research, watching the videos… he tried to insist everyone else do it, too, but some of our members were less reliably self-motivating than others, so usually that didn’t work.

  3. Elunamakata says:

    I think that going in blindly is, for the most part, bad sportsmanship. While I learn best by doing a fight, I do my best to also read up on it at least some so I’m familiar with the phases before I go in. Most of it doesn’t make sense while reading, but once we get in there it makes perfect sense. While we don’t expect everyone to go in and know every mechanic, going in and at least knowing the name of the boss and his major phases isn’t much to ask. Mostly though, unfortunately, Kurby winds up having to explain the fight before *every single raid* and sometimes multiple times before each pull.

  4. Elkagorasa says:

    I think the main difference being raiding 10/25 man vs raiding lfr. The mechanics of LFR tend to allow a reasonably seasoned player to bluff their way through the entire fight. Having a valid strategy is helpful IF people actually follow you. I know I’ve gone through a series of Durumu fights where everyone had a perfect strategy, but no one actually listened to them. Then the strategist just gots mad and leaves. QQ

    Personally, I run through at least a youtube video highlights reel so that I can get a ‘feel’ for what to expect so that I am not the first DPS to die..

    ;)

  5. Jaega says:

    I spend hours prior to new boss fights checking out the strategies, watching videos, making notes. Doing whatever is necessary so that I understand what to expect, and have some idea what I need to do to maximise my performance. Bash and hope just doesnt ‘do’ it for me:)) I also have no time for ‘raiders’ who dont bother to gem/enchant and reforge for maximum results. Maybe its because I only have a limited window to raid in, so I want every moment to count:))

    • Saga says:

      Exactly, I don’t want to waste what little time we have because someone didn’t prepare. We only raid twice a week in my guild, for a total of 7 hours. Every break or wipe we have means less progress and less time to get things done.

  6. Paulo says:

    Hi ,

    LFR has stated above is not “Raiding” is a way to see the content… there is no special tactic so the “Trial Error” tactic is not that bad (I dont like it tbh).

    On a 10/25 man “Trial Error” is just bad.. NO ONE does that, not even top world first guilds (They have tons of time of practice in PTR and go from that, out of curiosity i went to “Inner Sanctum” guild page and read the apply rules, they asked to have time spent on PTR has a requiered).

    If in a “Raiding” guild “Trial Error” is used, wipes will occur and with wipes comes disbelief and more mistakes, moral goes down.

    Now tell me how do you fell when that guildie dies in a fight? Don’t you get “mad” on how often that happens? Why do we have to “pay” for his lazyness ?

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